Clients might think a designer is stalling by not sending an immediate quote, as if the designer wants to figure out how much is available. But the designer is by no means guaranteed the business, so it makes more sense to offer a quote as soon as possible. Thing is, no project is the same and every client differs. This design pricing formula does a little to explain the complexity of cost. June A few thoughts on pricing. So Dave, Where do you start?

The problem is like most industries nobody sticks together to keep the value of the work up, somebody will always break away and offer cheap prices. Congratulations on the office move, by the way.

Toon, you could see it as a problem, but in general the quality decreases in line with price. I have had several satisfied clients at these prices. I do a lot of work for smaller businesses and can generate a lot of repeat business if I play my cards right. I often will package a logo project with business cards and letterhead. I recently started a new design company specializing in identity and branding packages.

It undermines and devalues the entire design industry! It will be the cornerstone to every piece of collateral they create, and should be able to stand the test of time. We launched our company via a retail gift card, so we needed a strong brand identity. If you buy cheap, you pay twice! We will stick with our logo for many moons. So many times does a logo require more than just a few comps. It often requires research, brand positioning, and finally execution and revisions.

Many companies that will end up being very successful do not have a huge start-up budget. A logo is very important but so is financial responsibility.

There, he presented her with a diamond ring engraved with the swoosh, and Nike stock in an amount that remains a secret. She was paid the average hourly rate for her efforts, covering about hours or so. Ok, I have a quick question for you if you would please. I have recently been hired by a fairly popular musical group to design a new logo for them.

They are a national touring group and have a couple of major label CD releases. What do you suggest I charge for that sort of thing? I have done tons of logos and things for people but they were all friends and did it for free. This will obviously be on all of their promotional items and CDs and things, so I want to charge what its worth. Any help is appreciated thanks!

Skoo, what you charge depends less on your client, and more on your skill. If the logo is exactly what you wanted then you should be happy to pay good money for it. I agree with so much of it. Do you have any idea what prices are in Romania? And this happens only because there will always be some hungry and cheap students that would charge the smallest price ever just to get some food on their table.

The design pricing formula mentioned in a previous comment highlights why at one point or another we all struggle. I have a general question, which we are on the subject of pricing. I gave a reference for someone to design a logo for a family member, and they gave 5 different options to choose from, but they were all stock graphics. I wondered if this is usual business practice to use stock art graphics with some wording and charge that for a logo?

I live in Dublin, Ireland and studying Graphic Design.

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Im doing a lot of freelance work and having problems figuring out prices. I came online to look for some advice and your website has been the best very informative, love the layout!!! Very happy with the information I found, I will definitely be adding this to my fav list ; Thanks. Good of you to drop by and comment, and all the best with your studies.

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I found very useful all the posts on logo pricing. I utilize quite a lot of software in order to complete my requests depending on what the demands of the clients are and the style of their logos. I also make true 3d photorealistic logos or logos with 3d elements when needed AFTER explaining the difference between vector and raster. Most of the time I do use Illustrator, but sometimes raster photoshop, max, maya, alias, mudbox, zbrush, corel works just fine for logos print work. A flat fee for design projects wins every time.

David, what are your thoughts on designing a logo with an agreed license specifying an amount of time of use, for example: If a designer still charged a reasonable rate, but was lower than full market price.

I have owned an ad agency for 33 years. I am also the creative director. I have created countless logos for small, to medium sized companies.

Some of those companies have grown to large corporations and I am happy to say my work has played an important part of their growth. Creating a truly successful logo requires more than an understanding of good graphic design principles.

It requires a unique ability— an almost intuitive skill… to translate a marketing message into form and shape. This is intense work. I usually spend at least 40 hours to develop a series of looks for a client to choose from. Once the final design is chosen, another 20 hours can go into the final work which is presented in color and black and white. Obviously, my years and experience have put me in a higher bracket, but we all start out low and work our way up.

Marcello and other young designers- It is important that you convey to your clients that their brand identity is an investment in their company. It is not a one-time project, but something that will walk the path with them for many years.

The logo will appear on everything and set the standard for their company image. As designers, and generally passionate expressive people, we all want to help others. That is an important aspect of life. I am just graduating design school- however I have won many logo design contests while in my studies and I am excited to have gotten that opportunity.

I am an extremely giving person thus I usually sell myself short. As a young designer I am afraid people will expect low prices therefore that is unfortunately what I present. How can you tell how much a client is willing to pay? Unfortunately Danielle, there is no easy answer to this.

This is always an educated guess at best and the education comes with experience. Keep in mind, as a young designer, getting work for your portfolio is extremely important.

Many of these lessons you learn at the expense of the client. You need to learn how to present yourself, how to collaborate, how to dress to convey professionalism, how to prepare an invoice, how to follow up and keep that relationship alive long after the project is ended.

The experience you will gain will force to to think creatively, work with copywriters, deal with printers and the media.

Then as you feel more secure in your new business, you will, and should, start to raise your prices. The best gauge however is the success of the client. Is your work sending them to the bank? As a freelance designer, how do you charge your clients? Do you ask for a deposit first, with the rest upon completion of the project? And what if you are unable to come up with something that the client likes?

Still gotta working on building up the confidence…. How 20 designers charge their clients. The questions I have pertain to the pre-design research. What is involved and what exactly would I be looking for in the research? Any comments or suggestions would be helpful. Hi Steve, I cover essential elements of research in my book Logo Design Love: A Guide to Creating Iconic Brand Identities. Like most have said, There is no set price. Being in the music industry I have learned you are not paying for the work only but the past works.

Its all about your portfolio and who you have become. If Donald Trump made that Nike swoosh live on TV, and someone cleared it up nicely in Illustrator, the worth is great because of Trump. Always get a retainer or half up-front and have a contract. When that company you designed a basic logo for goes billion worldwide a contract helps you get compensated.

It is appalling to me that any company that is serious about their business would not be willing to invest in a professional logo and brand identity to represent their company. Unfortunately our industry has been undermined and devalued by our very own. Starving designers and amateurs are all toooo willing to do anything for anyone at any price!

THEY NEED TO BE EDUCATED! The conversation begins with you!!! If you give something away it has absolutely no value to the client, no worth or respect. The more they pay the more they will respect you, your talent, and will like the logo even more! How about setting up a fee structure similar to photography or music rights? The ownership of the intellectual property would always remain with the creator. Why not have a usage fee? Why not be compensated accordingly to the success of the company???

That mark is the essence of the brand, and the mark that the entire planet recognizes. Thank you all for taking the time to post your comments. I have read every single post with great interest. Thank you David for this site and information.

I will be looking into your book and purchasing if for sale! I have a very high respect for designers and not only their talent but their creative mentality. I hope one day to be as experienced as Sam, David and each of you who have contributed.

I love this site and thread. Let me tell you… I am still in school for Web and Graphic Design and have only just started offering my services professionally, and I was so confused about what to charge people for projects!

This thread gives me a lot of great advice on where to start out. Of course, scale is relevant here. Then they better pay several thousands of dollars for their branding.

Thanks for the great post and the great comments. Thanks very much for the purchase, Valentino. I have a question for anyone willing to comment: In order to attain and keep customers, does one NEED, say, a BA in Graphic Design or certification that guarantees experience? Or, could one start a Logo design business solely based on a portfolio without proper education? Kelton- If the world waited for a BA, we would be sorely pressed for a great deal of creative brilliance and innovation.

Having a formal education is important, but the plain fact is that many people just cannot afford it. Should that stop them from pursuing their passion? Can they learn on their own? Can they become world-class designers? Is it easier with an education? Do people take you more seriously when you have a degree? Not one client, in more than 30 years, has ever asked me where I got my degree.

They always ask to see my portfolio. If your bliss is creating great graphics, or cooking, or composing, or breeding goldfish, whatever… then do it. The proof is in the result. A great portfolio shows more than a degree any day. I wish you luck for everything your future brings. All the best with your own design efforts.

Set aside minimum of 4 to 8 hours billing time, any revisions under 2 hours are included. Non-profits have money, and need to pay for services. Often their work requires more hours than a regular paying client commands. There can always be add-on fees for design work requiring specific time needed for special requests — like the logo that needs to animate. Making a break down, for what I could understand.

Now, after all the work is done and the art work is finished and the client has selected one of the concept arts and they are completely sure thats what they want. How and what elements do I have to turn in for my client? And how should I present my work to my client? Hello Jose, you should supply your client with vector artwork — i. I supply it via email. I am really really finding this article and comments extremely interesting. What do you guys in your professional opinions think of my designs?

Lastly, if anyone has a very good book recommendation about how to start a company or run a design company i would love to hear! Or how should I portrait my work esthetically frame or version collage on a same page My concern is how the client sees me as a professional. First impression is the most important for some people you know. For example I read that no gradients should be used as backgrounds so I prepare my logos with a white background version and a no background version in png should I include these as well.

Travis, glad you found use in the thread. Ask your client if they need JPEGs or PNGs, but this aspect should really be taken care of by the person responsible for the web branding be that you or a web specialist. Regarding presentation, showing the design in context always helps.

I talk about this at more length in my book. You can get a free chapter here. Designers are useless when it comes to money. We need to stop undervaluing our profession. I am loving this community you have built with your blogs. They are so very helpful with getting things off the ground. I am a long time graphic designer ad am finally doing free lance work for myself.

Like I said I am a long time graphic designers but I am only technically in my 2nd year of schooling for it. I am glad to hear what other designers out there are charging because it makes me more aware that I can stand up for my prices.

I have been freelancing for only a few years. Especially when they think they could do one themselves in half the time and for free.

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Your website gives me hope in believing that there is real value to being a graphic designer and producing the kind of work we do. I am an artist and my work is on the web. I am asked many times if a company can use my art for business cards and other promotional material.

I make a good return on my art in the form of royalties so, if I decide to work with a company, what should I charge for the use of an existing piece of art as a business card? Many copy my art without permission. From someone who does this for a living help would be appreciated. I found this site through google, and found a lot of great info just by reading the responses in this topic. A friend asked if i could design a business card and flyer for their startup business and wants to know how much i would charge for them for this job.

They already have their own logo. How much should I charge for the business card and logo? I have a BA in graphic design and have been designing for a number of years but this is my first freelance gig.

What is it worth to you? Then when you think that a brand if done well builds equity for a company and can add millions on the bottom line, it starts to make sense. And in todays very saturated landscape of brands and logos, and the main connection with customers and the first point of call being a brand, differentiation is SO, SO important.

So in future when you read these articles, remember, its mostly a load of nonsense and just hot air and very miss informed, its about time that people became aware of what branding is about — the benefits, the reasons to do it right, the bottom line, come on guys, think about it. My husband design logos by hand. A company in Virginia has commissioned him to design a small but detailed logo for their security business.

What should I charge this company? Am I including time? He designed five sample pictures, should I include that in the final price? Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. This is an excellent thread! It can be extremely difficult to attract new clients and build a client-base when you have no clients to start with! Then when the client-base and portfolio is a lot stronger, more clients will come and be willing to pay the going rates required. Hey there, I just came across this website and have found it very helpful, though I have a specific situation that I would be very appreciative to get advice on!

The only experience I have with logo design is through my own interest of working in Illustrator and Photoshop as a hobby. I recently made a logo for some friends working on a group project in a business class. I got inspired and probably put a good 20 hrs of work into it. Apparently, everyone in their class loved it and voted it as the best group logo in the class. One that fits the characteristics of their business.

I found a moderately large business and made several mock-ups of my logo design. This now begs the questions:. Would I be scoffed at for my utter lack of experience? Great thread, tons of useful info here! I find that if you can educate the client about the logo being the tip of the iceberg, you are well on your way to recieving fair renumeration for your work.

Explaining how the design sensibilities of the logo -colourways, typeface, metaphor- dovetails into all their other branding materials, stationary, signeage, website etc is the logical next step and should never be discounted. I then took the concept to a big time prospective client whom has been asking me to rebrand his logo. Cheap clients are NOT worth it. Logo design is not some product you can just shop and pickup. Stop cheapening the hours of work we put in.

Also the 50 dollar guy winded up using stock art lo-res with bitty pixels on the end of his font. I am from a small island where in many cases graphic design services do not get the merit they deserve i. I am a GD at a publishing co. This is all without ever having official study. People just like my portfolio, though I have done a few courses, read tons of articles and blogs, self-taught with adobe videos and other tuts and done free or cheap work, which has earned me repeat clientele, not just for the cheapness, they like the stuff!

One of these clients now wants to work with me solely for her clients and she would take a finders fee or commission of sorts and I need to price my services, but I am struggling.

I have twin baby boys so the work i do is a real sacrifice after working a whole day and taking care of them my freelance work begins. More importantly I really put my all into what I do. If i do a logo I provide it in vector, black and white, full colour, i ask the questions, i do the sketches, i make the revisions, i provide all the files etc etc not necessarily in that order. You know what i mean?

A photographer acquaintance thought i was crazy, but she had bargained down at the beginning small business not too much money, not willing to pay more and i needed cash and she came out with lots more than what she paid for in my opinion. What do you recommend for me?

I bet this is a hard one. One thing I was considering was avoiding getting the shaft by charging a flat rate per particular service that includes XYZ but with the understanding to the client that additional charges apply for various things — full colour, extra revisions etc. Any thoughts on if that is a good way to go? Thanks, is your book available for the iphone? Mac lovers unite just had to throw that in lol. Love the blog and thanks for the thread.

Problem is, most Latin dance schools in my area barely cover their costs some actually lose money hand over fist but keep going out of a desire to maintain the Latin dance community in the areaso a lot of the work in our school is done on a volunteer basis. So, with permission but no money from the powers that be, I set out to look for a logo designer. And my pockets are not deep. What I found discouraged me, but what discouraged me most were these discussion boards which promote ever-increasing prices.

I agree that a good design can be worth a lot in the long run. Someone already brought up the fact that small start-ups can grow exponentially in a few years. Another poster also brought up the much-quoted Nike example, which David quickly refuted with the ring anecdote. Carolyn Davidson got that diamond ring in Compare that to a start-up paying thousands of dollars it cannot afford for a logo that the designer promises will be great, with little to no empirical evidence to back that up.

My question is this: In my experience, most small or non-profit businesses expect more bang for their extremely paltry buck and the cost to benefit ratio becomes unviable for the Designer. While I spent many hours on building the site, I spent very little time on the logo concept simply because it was a non-paying client. If a busines wants a well designed logo that will stand the test of time, then they are willing to invest more time and money into the project.

Not everybody likes working for free and in a Creative Industry like this, Designers tend to be taken advantage of more so than companies getting ripped off by shoddy Design work. On the other hand I find that sometimes those people that want quality work done for little or no compensation are usually the most difficult to deal with.

Anita, bear in mind that this post is almost three years old. You brought up Nike. Finishing a design degree does NOT make you an expert. Upon graduation, all students are amateurs, only after years of experience in the industry do they become professionals. A decent logo needs at least a week of solid work.

Think of it this way: So charge for your time, as it relates to your experience and skill. I can provide more accurate pricing as well as better targeted design if I get to do initial consultation with them first. Believe me when I say that your clients will abuse the privilege as much as they can. If you do good work they should pay for it.

I recommend creating a handful of make believe companies, or finding a few online that need help, and do the work for yourself as practice. If you hear either of those two things hit the breaks and find other business. Color some text and stick it next to an icon.

I think the problem is that clients need to be educated that they get what they pay for. I recently heard the following horror story…. Once finished the file was supplied as a low res tiny RGB file and the client transferred payment.

The client then took it to a printer wanting business cards, signage etc and was told the file they had was not suitable, they tried to get in contact with the original designer but got no response. Months later they still had no stationery etc and just a useless low res logo so they eventually had to go to a designer locally and have the file recreated into a usable format thus costing more than they had initially budgeted for the job.

Great discussion every one! It has really helped me to see that I am under charging. I am a student who is about to finish his degree in graphic design, so lately I have been doing freelance work on the side to try to get some extra cash and to build my portfolio.

It usually takes me hours to research, brainstorm and design a logo and a million more hours in revisions. I really put a large effort into making sure my work is the highest quality and I bend over backwards to appease their wishes.

The question I want to know is what should a designer say to a client that thinks they are being over charged? And how much is a fair price to charge if you are just getting started freelancing? My husband who has illustrated several books has been approached by a new clothing business and they want to use one of his illustrations slightly adapted as their logo They say they are a new business and have no real budget for paying anything.

Logos seem to be a really tricky deal to negotiate. Yes this is a very tough situation! Thank your offer for free advertising and would like to take you up on that to help get my name out for me as well! I also know things will go really well for you and is going to take off for you so, i will expect another installment every 6 months for usage fee.

You need to be clearly in control of YOUR ART, and let them know that they are getting a super great deal which they are! Great comments, both of you. The trick is to get them to articulate that interest further and place some value on it. How do you see it adding value to your business? Whatever amount of time your husband put into that piece should give you a clear idea of the actual labor costs involved, if not the total value….

All leads back to having belief in the value of your work for someone else. Thanks everyone for the boost to his confidence. I have been wanting to step my identity design up a LOT of notches.

This has been an eye opener for me and it is time for me to better my skills on this aspect of design. I have been reading your blog for sometime now as I am often approached by people wishing to use my art for many different things.

Sometimes I agree for a compensation of some sort, many times I do not feel the use is appropriate and say no. There is nothing wrong with saying NO. Now I have another question … What would you do if you came across parts of your designs incorporated into another product? And yes the parts are quite recognizable and have only undergone a few minor changes like colour and a few fine lines. Re the people copying your design.

My husband belongs to the UK association of illustrators sure one in the US thats similar. Small annual subscription but great access to advice I would ask them for their advice and use them as backing in contacting the offending person. There is obviously a lot of controversy around the issue of what to invoice, how much and determining the value. I personally love designing brand identities, so when I get a client that has a decent budget, I always design them a new logo or revise their current one without being asked to.

It builds my portfolio and keeps me sharp on current design trends and continually pushed me to come up with different design solutions and aesthetics.

When I get hired on to develop a companies brand identity, there are some other factors I use in determining the price or value: I feel that the price can really depend on whether the client knows what that want. Set the price bar high and encourage clients who can recognize good logo design and have thought about their business brand. I have been asked to design a logo for a large corporation.

But at the same time, I would hate to charge a price that is too low out of desperation. How do I determine a prince range? The post is somewhere up above… but calculate your hourly rate by 40 to 80 hours and see what that gets you. Thank you for all the information related to design and logos. I am currently working on a logo for a boutique, which will be turned into the store front sign which I am going to have made for them. I am wondering whether to package the logo cost into the total cost of the sign or to have a fee for the logo first and then the sign separate?

Thanks for the feedback! Who knows how long it will take the sign shop to get everything up and installed. Could be a few days, could be a month or two. Make sure you get paid, especially if your covering the overhead from the sign shop too.

That would be the only way I would factor the two together. Creative, I am in Canada, and we see the same thing happening. My clients deserve to know EXACTLY what they are getting when they consider me or read my work on their competitors websites-hehe. An investment in my identity clarifies that.

I have given him multiple options to choose from and we finally agreed on a design. He paid the amount, I cashed the check, and now he wants to make minor changes to the artwork. A thicker line here, larger text there, and I have no idea what to charge. Logo design is like any other part of business, you get what you can negotiate.

A nickel design will be great if the product sells. It is a crap shoot. I find that many artist want to be paid what they think they are worth and that is fine but in our society the buyer will set the market. Get what you can and quit complaining. If you want to earn more for your work find another profession. The logo is simply a result of the creative process. You have to demonstrate to your client the value of the creative process by breaking it down into bite sized chunks which is easy for them to understand.

Demystify the creative process into a science, itemise each step with an objective, a methodology and an outcome, and then put a price next to each step. It will also give them lots of confidence in your ability. Ask for a retainer before you start. This will very quickly let you know which client is worth doing business with and which is not. Clients who have confidence in you will happily pay a retainer up front.

There is no set price for the creative process. It really depends on your experience and your ability to sell in the process. It depends on the client too, their budget and timeframe.

Charge what you can get away with. And always try to up-sell. Gives you more work and more money too. I liked all you said. The same thing occurred to me about the logo not having value until the company adds something to it. It could be a fantastic logo but if the company it represents has poor customer service or a terrible product the logo will do little to help the company.

It may be recognisable as a brand but who will be interested? Now on to my coffee: David Airey, you and this site are a God-send! Just happened to stumble upon this thread. I have heard nightmares about IP rights and the like. Also, just an observation here …. Make a name for yourself. Then, and only then, have you differentiated yourself sufficiently to command a higher price.

People who claim to be artists are a dime a dozen the price the market should give them. I am in much need of some guidance. I am a fairly new designer in the professional field — only a 18 and going to be a sophomore with a GD major in undergrad. Now, a friend of mine is starting his own business — something that I think can go big!

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Especially if the clients are friends. I love this site and thread in particular. But I think they ultimately still miss the point.

This is a skill and like all skills it has a value. That value can increase or even decrease thanks to many factors, experience and ennui being two of them. That big bonus binary options no deposit 2016 said, I think the real culprit in this entire topic — how much should it cost?

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The accountants watch carefully. The sales figures are constantly measured. Week by week as the new brand starts to gain traction and momentum, the sales begin to increase. If you rate yourself as a designer, aim high and one day it will pay off. Designing a logo is really hard thing to do. I have made a few and only like one of them. Researching and trying to put something that looks good and stand out is not for everyone.

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Its true designing logos has gotten really cheap but so have websites designs and good designers. I remember when you can design a simple 5 page website for a company for about 5k but today you can only get about to the most and a lot of them will use a template and only play the hosting fee for it. Things are getting cheaper. Its the way of life. Money is every and design is few and for the rich. If you want to get upset then complaint to the art schools that will take in any average Joe and then tell them that they can be a designer if they pay k.

That what gets me upset about. When I have to apply to a job that other people are applying to and only 10 of them can really design. A friend of mine asked me to make some business cards for him. He sent me this message on Facebook:.

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How close a friend he is How much money he makes from voice acting and How much your cards will likely net him. Not every client in Africa understands the creative process behind a logo. The value of a logo is a pretty subjective topic.

I do freelance logo designing and am having a hard time determining how much I should price, especially since clients keep talking about crowd sourcing and being able to get cheap logos from hundreds of bidders.

Is it still possible to be competitive even when charging what we feel is right? I was looking into this site to also get an idea of what to charge I am in college for animation but have been picking up some graphic design work. Pink sheet stock brokers after doing all this I drove miles to deliver this stuff because it was way cheaper than shipping it.

So what I did was the customer told me what they had in mind of spending and I worked it out from there. Because I cannot afford to pay you lots of money for a logo simply because I am just establishing my business does not mean I do not appreciate the work that goes into it. I am also a designer myself so I know how advanced candlesticks and ichimoku strategies for forex trading work goes into anything creative.

The bigger binary option in range predictor because of their processes may not appreciate as much as start ups do. One thing people need to realize is that there are different markets and you need to decide which market you want to play in.

There are more start up companies and they are actually the ones according to statistics employee stock option scheme as per companies act 1956 move an economy forward. Why not have different rates for different companies? Needless to say, these 30 clients could easily multiply based on referrals.

I think designers need to look at the bigger stock options sociedad limitada. I hdforex I have had bad experiences with graphic designers who have churned up crap and felt they were doing me a favour, even when I paid them just for the sake of peace. I have even offered sweat equity to some who were charging me high prices, simply because I knew what the importance of a good logo was but could not afford metatrader 4 учимся зарабатывать на forex pdf prices.

Most were more consumed by the cash rather than history of bse stock exchange pdf term benefits. I eventually designed my logo myself when I needed one desperately which was not too bad in my opinion but which a PR consultant friend of mine said was a bit boring.

And that is listening to advice. NOW one thing I will never understand is why a graphic designer should charge me for tweaking a design that was less than satisfactory in the first place. Designers and this is also directed at me need to realize that when you are being paid for a service, you do what the client wants. I ask you for 3 drafts so Australian stock exchange address can choose, you ask me why?

I think designers need to get over themselves really and realize that you cannot take your work too personally. It is business and the customer is king and your job is to satisfy the customer. I know if I create something my client is not happy with, I would not feel right getting paid for the job. Of course I know there are some unreasonable clients, we all come across them but really, if you sacrifice your ethics for the sake of money, you will lose out at the end of the day.

Needless to say as quickly as good referrals go round, so do bad reputations. I judge on the design awards for several high profile uk and international design organisations and have been quoted by some leading uk national papers on the subject. And they grumble about it! I AM a designer WITH an undergraduate degree in fashion design. I left with extremely good grades. Forex earnings forum, I realized that my field was different from graphic design, which was restaurants open anzac day perth 2016 I obviously approached someone in that field for his expertise so I could focus on my core business.

You come to me for a consultation, the end result obviously being to create an outfit for you. You tell me what you like and what you do not like as a customer or a client even though you want people to see you with a renewed personal image. And chances are you probably will not wear it again. It is your job to ensure all your clients leave with a smile on their faces.

I, as a client have done research, stumbled upon sites like Logo Design Love who have said:. You want the identities you create to be instantly recognisable, acting as a memorable identifier for the company they represent.

A consumer will normally just take a fleeting glimpse at a logo, and an overly complex mark will make that opportunity redundant. And you expect me to accept it simply oil prices exchange rates and emerging stock markets it jumps out at people?

It jumps out all right. For all the wrong reasons and for what I stand against! You have your own fixated ideas anyway. How many experiences do I need to go through before I put my foot down and set a tight budget for my deliverables and my priorities. Designers should not feel the need to force their ideas on their clients or even convince their clients.

The client should instantly be drawn to the work. I have to see your work and instantly feel, yes, he listened to me and captured the very essence of my business not try and convince me to portray what I know I am not or what I even want my business to portray. I am the person who has to project this image and I have to live with it. At the why to invest in stock market india of the day, who has to live with the result?

You cannot take it personal! Yes you can smile all the way to the bank but deep down, you cannot be okay except you are made of stone…which I know creative people are not because of the passion they have for their work. If I was asking your opinion, it would be to how much money did penn state football make in 2010 something I did in the past.

If I ask you to do a job, you need to realize you work for me and you need to satisfy ME bonus no deposit broker forex 2014 client not you. I understand your position on certain matters and you have made valid points. But what I am saying is do not castigate people for not being able to afford more.

And why impose huge budgets on small start ups anyway? Why spend all my money on a logo when I should focus on getting a product out that can be branded? The logo will not simply make money for me if I have no product to sell. So SMEs usually prefer to invest in the product or service they plan to offer than the logo even though they know the logo is important. But the stock market of the 1920s simply does not make business sense to spend so much money on a logo in the early days if what would REALLY sell in those vital days is the product or service offering.

Even though it was cheap, you absolutely cherished it! And why must I pay a teacher for a whole semester of classes when I can simply employ her for a one month crash programme and still get educated for a lot less.

The SMEs are the foundations of other businesses because they do the most referrals. I have even seen people who have paid more than the earlier agreed fees simply because they recognized and were really appreciative of the effort that went into the work.

Others even buy gifts. And I can speak for myself and people I know who have done the same. The companies you churn today may be the big leaders in the industry tomorrow, afterall Cocacola started from somewhere.

And when you are fighting for their business, they remember what you did to them in the early days. And we all know that he who laughs last, laughs best!

You mentioned the Nike design. A little more on that here. Sadly, there are cowboys in every profession. Honestly, most of them have no understanding of what branding is or what it can do for their business. Sure Nike a great story, a very rare exception. NEVER give away your raw files to your clients. You need to protect yourself and your business. I am very happy to have a job. This is all eerily familiar although I am not a designer. Many years ago I worked in a similar field with all the same shortcomings but requiring more training and experience to simply achieve competence.

Thank you, I found this article helpful as well as the comments above. Clients are different, some are more difficult than others. I consider that in my cost. Most of my business has come through references. Do you have a set cost for it? So I was wondering… I quoted a very small amount for a logo I did for a guy. It was a logo for his business. Then he comes to me with a logo project for a secondary company he is working on and this is a BIG deal. So I am not publix holiday hours july 4th if I should charge my regular rate.

And how I would go about doing that?! I charged him a flat rate for the first one… and I want to do the same with this job but when he hears how much the 2nd job is going to be, I feel like he is going to be really angry and not want me to d the logo at all. Include your time for meetings, research, concept development, design exploration, variations, client changes and logo formats. Include a cost for finished art too and charge for supplying the files as vector and jpeg and black and white versions of each as well.

How do you get unlimited bells in animal crossing city folk two sets of changes in your how to make money on gaia online, additional changes incur additional cost. Explain to him that this is a bigger project which requires more time and effort than the last one.

Again, if you present with laser prints, charge for them. If someone builds a website, mark up the cost and pass it on. You have to charge for everything if you want to make money. This allows you to maintain control over this. You DO use a contract right? Here is my contract, as a sample. I included all the source files. Check it out and USE IT!!! So when you design something, you give the client the files AND the source files? Of course you would supply the client with proofs of the design: PDF, EPS, JPG, GIF, whatever…….

If the client wanted the actual source files PSD, AI, INDD, Quark, etc. Think about hiring a photographer…. I worked under my contract, and vanguard ftse emerging markets etf dividend supplied proof files swf, jpg, eps, gif, pdf, etc …. When our contract ended. I would have given them the files anyway, but because they tried to strong arm me, I decided to charge for the original work as was my right.

They tried to fight me, but the judge declared as the artist, I maintained control over the original source files until such time that I transferred rights I still maintained portfolio rights, either wayand if they wanted the work, they would have to purchase it.

Easiest money I ever made all I had to do was zip the files up, drop them how much money does an artist make on itunes an FTP window, and check my bank account. All about binary options trading wikipedia fine artist can paint a picture, make a bunch of prints, charge X for the prints, then charge XXXX for the original work.

Perhaps you can help clear-up my confusion. It all boils down to your rights as an artist. I learned it from working at advertising agencies. Prior to my ad agency experience, and the court battle with the media company inI was getting hired for design work, then I would produce the design work, then my design work would be used on anything under the sun with no additional payments to me, I never asked for any rights, I just packaged up the source files, and the proof files, and sent them all on their merry way to the client.

One, it empowered the client to end their relationship with me very easily. Ideally, if you do great work for someone they will never leave. Not so, in the real world. They will take your source files, change anything they want, and your involvement with them is finished. Two, it allowed the earn lots of money crossword to muck up my reputation.

That person may not be as qualified, may not understand the reasons for certain design elements, or may not even know what they are doing. Now, when I add the logo or design to my portfolio, tell others I did the logo for company X, or the client tells everyone that I did the work, my name is attached to that work.

I would prefer to keep 5, 000 forex account over something like that. If someone is going to mess up the work I have created, it will be me, unless I have transferred the files and have moved on from the project.

Three, it goes against the business protocol established by the major ad agencies, going back to pre Most ad agencies create work and then sell usage rights, similar to the way photographers and artists do business. The client buys a design, and a price is decided based on the intended usage. Is the logo only going to be on the stationery, website, and shirts? Great, the price is X.

If you want to put the logo on the trucks, hats, cups, and pens, there needs to be additional usage rights purchased. If the client wants to purchase full rights, there is a price for that usually 4x the cost of the work. If the client wants to have the original source files, there is a price for that.

That is fine, but it cuts out a huge piece of your business. The courts understand usage rights as protected under the Copyright Law, and will protect them. That means, even if you have been just forex bureau capital centre the clients full usage rights on a de facto basis, you STILL can charge for usage at any time, until the time you transfer the rights to the client.

It is difficult for a small time freelance artist dealing with small business owners to work on a contract like this, but when dealing with any major company it is imperative. After my experiences, I no longer work without a contract, and I NEVER give the client the raw source files without an agreement or payment in place.

Have I had to turn down some work over the years to keep to my guns? All of my business is word of mouth, and the real clients have no problem with the business model. Breaking down a project fee into line items is mostly a personal choice. If I believe a client is going to runaway with them and use them, good riddance. More to the point, my contract states that none of my work product becomes their property until full payment has been made.

All said, the more important issue, I believe, is how do we learn to articulate stock traders slang logos should be considered valuable? A couple of years ago, I did a research project for myself. Obviously, the single hair dresser down the block is not in this category, but forex international trade and finance pty ltd hair salon in the middle of Union Square… or stock broking jobs at mumbai successful realtor, or a tech startup, etc….

But again, what makes a good logo, one that commands and deserves professional fees? David, thank you for such a valuable site. Your site has been around since before I got started, and I have referred to it during the course of my career. Thank you for your contributions to the field. I think it would be a great resource. Whole fully agree — DO NOT give up your source files designers!!!

It has become a wild west out there and unfortunately loyalty and ethics mean nothing to businesses these days! Printers have also take my files i have provided then work directly with my clients making changes etc. I think it we need to change how we do business to protect ourselves?

Obviously the client needs a vector logo to use in all of their future marketing material forever and a day, forex range bar charts mt4 as a print ad is usually supplied as a pdf to the specifications set by the publication at a particular time. Yes, you would charge your client extra for the Indesign files of a print ad.

How do you police it? And why would you even want to? I guess this is because most companies need to buy it outright anyway. Just charge an appropriate cost for your time to design form filling work at home in indian logo for use in all future marketing material… easy.

OMG THANK YOU ALL of you for this thread… This is what I been going on about for some time now. Here is where my wife comes and teach me how to forex factory calendar xml for everything and anything and showed me how to say NO!

I would like to start designing barrons best for options traders but I need to start from the beginning….

How and where from to get clients? How to set up good profolio? Shall I start own webpage? Shall I register with online companies that sell logos and upload my work there?

How many variations of logo shall I provide and any other questions i am probably not aware of? What are the steps? You know …basic starter is what I need: Sam — You ROCK your comments opened my tsx stock market results today wide lol ; Rest — Great thread and well done all of you wow!

What you describe is common and very commendable. You should profit from your natural talents, and improving them is one of the most fulfilling experiences and processes you can go through. First off, give yourself assignments.

Find samples of design work that you think is awesome and find samples that you think you could improve on, and then do so. Also, learn who the best designers are and were. Either create your own company names and design logos for them, or do new logos for books on indian stock market for beginners, known companies, sort of as I described above.

Start with pen and paper and work only in black and white, no color, not until the logo design is finalized. Then figure out color. Craigslist and word of mouth. Personal references will be your best connections. How to set up a good portfolio? Do the above steps and pick your best pieces to show off.

You can set up a free site in 15 minutes… You can read about them at my site or theirs: NO, NO, NO, NO!!!! They sell logos for peanuts and you want to be a professional designer! They have almost single-handedly ruined design for everyone along with the PC and the death of type houses.

A typical logo development or any design development project shoots for presenting 3 options: To produce 3 candidates that you would show your client, you have to come up with at least ten times as many options that how much money does an artist make on itunes never share with them.

The resulting sterling us dollar exchange rate graph will birkenstock clogs clearance like a mutant platypus baby. I too am self-taught and I started unconsciously in junior high all the way up to my first job at an ad agency. The first step is to just get started and start thinking of yourself as a graphic designer.

Any areas where you fall short as a graphic designer will stand out and those will be the areas you should work on. Logos are like trying to hit a large target with several bullseyes with one arrow.

Well below minimum wage. So, charge accordingly, for your time. You dont know how much it means to me I been stuck in construction for several years not knowing where to start and really want to finally move on and do what i want to do….

However, what you must realise is; there are kids out there who have potentially been using the same software you use on a day-to-day basis for nearly as long as you have. Do they have the earnbynifty intraday nifty trading system of corporate offices, marketing, brand building?

No, of course not. If you feel at all bad, then spare a thought for the music video industry. That is a total budget to cover everything from the food for the crew, to the hair and makeup, to the cost of driving around a van full of equipment.

How is this accomplished?

Literature review on currency trading my opinion, this situation is somewhat worse since music videos starting being sold on iTunes. If you truly are an artist and are getting paid to do what you enjoy, then you have nothing to complain about. That seems to raise the question, What is your talent worth? As for diminishing wages, that is why the unions have fought so hard in the film industry to monitor union and non-union film gigs.

Start-up music videos most likely tend to be non-union and therefore very vulnerable to price stock market desktop widgets. The same applies to knowing how to direct a film.

Anyone can direct a film, but directing a good, let alone great, film is another story. No, the point of all of this work or process is to make something that makes a difference in the real world, in business, with masses of people, not thousands, but millions hopefully. Whether clients understand or appreciate the creative process is ultimately irrelevant.

What they need to understand is forexpros cambio divisas value of the end-result, a piece of work that to paraphrase Rosser Reaves makes the damn sales curve rise.

The lessons to be taught to young colleagues is respect. It really depends on whether you go to McDonalds or a three-star Michelin restaurant.

Different customers have different requirements, different budgets, different values, different reasons for wanting a logo and different views on its role.

What would you recommend as a starting charge fee and how do they know what places are not worth their time or talent? As for what to charge. I am a partner in small business start-up [e-commerce]. We are looking for a graphic designer and wanted a reasonable price due to our limited funds. That way, the designer is paid for their expertise and the business can afford their logo. Thank you very much for your response!!

Thank you very much for answering my questions. You and a couple other people I enjoy following and listening too. I am writing less on this subject and more on a help subject. I am from New Orleans, LA and I did a logo project for a friend. Long story short, I gave it to him before he finished paying in full. He refuses to communicate with me or follow my very polite requests to take down my property. Of course I cannot afford legal aid, and I was wondering if ANYBODY KNOW A PRO BONO LAWYER???

Please anything will help. I know these things can make you very angry but just take it as experience and next time ask for half the money up front and half on completion. This will soon get him communicating with you. The first time I needed a logo I had no idea how long it would take my designer to create a logo, nor did I know what research would be required, or what I free sms alerts on mobile of stock market to supply.

I was lucky that along the way I had the good fortune to work with an in-house designer and got to peek behind the curtain to see how much work went into doing a logo design. But I wish that the first designer I worked with would have explained more to me going into that first project. It is always good to get it in writing. I had to ask questions about almost every paragraph for one of the contracts I signed.

Yes, I negotiated a couple of clauses. It makes me think you have a sliding scale for your work. I see from these comments that some of you do charge according to the size of the company. Hmm, does that mean you do better work for the guys who pay more? Tell me what I get in terms of finished art, and tell me what you charge if I want the original artwork too.

Your pricing lets me know if you are a designer within my financial range. If you want my business enough that you are willing to negotiate you can always say so. Tell me what you need from me — but be patient.

A PR firm I once worked with forced me into developing an elevator pitch that described our company in one line. We delivered one, but it took cash to accrual conversion unearned revenue a year of changing it to get it right.

Many small company owners are really great at their products and services. Be patient with us. Your logo goes on my company not yours.

So you have no money, presidential election year stock market performance brief, no experience and no taste. Saudi arabia buys stock market you want to give designers some advice?

Thanks, but no thanks. I think if you take a little bit of effort and read some of the posts you will find the answer to your question. This is in fact what the whole thread is about, and it has been asked many times before. Forex webinars archive have started a small buisiness doing logo designs, just for fun and a bit of money.

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I am still in school but plan to make this my career later on. My question however is how much SHOULD I be charging now? While some of your points are valid points 3 and 5 are what makes working with some clients infuriating. You get what you pay for. If you have more budget you get a better outcome. By knowing your Budget a designer can quickly work out whether your wasting your time and theirs.

Designers with years of experience know what they need to produce and can explain the reasons why they have produced it. Nothing irritates designers more when clients think they know better then they do. I have a few pricing questions, like Amy, I have also started a graphic design business over Facebook.

I am also still in school, and may or may not make this my career in the future. I am doing this page in order to see how I like it, but what should I be charging for designs? There is software out there now, that can be used to create a lot of logos.

How has that affecting your competition and pricing? As well as the process of handing of the finished product to clients. This thread has been very helpful. Two potential clients have asked me to present a rate for the design of their logo, actual product, and all associated marketing material that they are planning to pitch to investors this coming fall.

Architectural designs, however, are highly custom and are not repeatedly sold for continual future revenue like this would be. Any suggestions for fixed rate vs. How do you get people to take you seriously when you charge them the rate you think you deserve and it seems to be a bit steep for them? The cost of a logo project has to reflect their wants and needs. Every company is different and the price of the logo should reflect that.

While I understand that designers should be paid for their creative talents, I find myself being on the other side of the fence here. Paying upwards to 3K for a company insignia is just really not an option since most of our start-up capitol is going into equipment costs. Keep in mind that this is the kind of business that, as it grows, will have many more design needs in the future so we are looking for someone we can also rely on.

I think this is the only logical and honorable solution that respects the work the good designer is doing and allows your business to thrive. I qualify designer with the word good because this assumes that a business first and foremost understands the true value of their potential new logo.

Oh, and those additional future design needs will be other projects, not a continuation of the original logo project and not continued remuneration for that logo. All that start-up capitol and new equipment will have to be sold off to pay the lawyers. Secondly, how do you know your brief was right in the first place? A good designer will listen to your reading of the situation, discuss all of your objectives and then suggest a whole range of things you never knew existed or could ever possibly imagine.

Then comes the design itself. Is it practical and adaptable? Will it fit on the side of a pen? Is it economical to reproduce?

Does it work in one colour? Can you emboss it, foil it, die-cut it? Does it differentiate you from competitors? Is it elegant and beautiful?

If you answer no to any of these questions, then you could be in for a nasty surprise down the track. A logo lasts a long time and needs to be adaptable enough to work in any circumstance without loss of integrity. You need to see your logo in context — applied across different executions — to understand how it really works. But how would you know any of this unless an experienced designer explains it all to you?

I design for my customer according to their requirements and specific desires. Should I be charging more or less? I always have happy customers: Therefore having lower rates on contract work is understandable. Although the prices may under cut those who have paid to do business as a legitimate taxable business. I understand that that lowered price can mar the industry, but with all the struggling young adults trying to pay students loans, I do understand.

I also think some of these prices are ridiculous, even with a taxable income. I think just as easy as it is to charge too little, companies swindle small businesses into paying way too much! As the times and ease of web design for laymen change, so must the designers!

Its a money game like any industry — best of luck! Remember to ask for a deposit on your time! And there are certainly good reasons to value it. I have a question in regards to pricing for logos.

I just recently graduated from San Diego State University with a degree in Multi-Media, and did an on-campus internship this past year. I just did a piece for a band and am wondering how much to charge. After reading some of these comments however, I am reconsidering. Can someone please assist me? I would really appreciate it.

I can even show you the design to help you better think of a price. The real value for you comes with having a portfolio piece you can show to other prospective clients. It comes down to good quality traffic. Not a designer, but I do like to read and look at various design work from design oriented sites. I worked with a designer with over a decade of experience, who had some good looking work, and was working for a design firm. But they always complain about the young guns that do it faster and cheaper.

It does, most of the time. Unfortunately, that was not the case for me. With both designers, they showed me a few possible designs with 2 revisions. I used up the revisions with both designers.

With the cheaper designer, his lack of experience showed through in the difference designs he presented. Luckily, one of them was good enough. After 2 revisions, the problem was the combination of colors he chose to stay with. Since I know my way around illustrator, this was good enough and I could adjust on my own. The more expensive design was with a friend usually a bad idea already. Even after sitting down with me to discuss my business and the image I wanted to project, and even after 2 revisions, he never really captured the direction I wanted to go in.

The work in and of itself was not bad, but not what I wanted. Since more changes was going to cost more, and to spare the friendship, I just let it go. Hello David, I have an artist friend and asked him to design a logo for my new clothing business. I told him I would pay him, he did the work which I love and asked me what was in my budget for it. I asked him how many hours, he said he would never bill hourly. Please give me some tips.

Susan 3 things to keep in mind: Hope I was useful. I will also be taking care of all printing aspects of the order, but I have prices set for printing costs. If anyone has any advice for me it would be greatly appreciated, thank you! Hi, I just graduated and got my first paid job request to do a logo. Since she works in pr she is keeping in touch with me for some more possible work for her clients… I am having real trouble setting a price.

As I just graduated and do not have that much experience at all … Can anyone help please…? They would tell you to go away. Why then, either early on when you know work comes less frequently, or later on when you know you have worked to build a good reputation and customer base, would you ever undersell yourself?

Harsh words, but realistic. Always ask your customer if s he is willing to sell you his or her product at 70 to 90 percent off… If they are, well, maybe you can strike a deal.

It goes a bit back and forth in the reasoning here all the time. Any Logo Designer needs to analyze and promote their own brand and take a stand. Look for knowledge from those who charge a low price if you choose that and from those who charge a higher price if you choose that. Work on your own positioning and argue where you are. There will always be price differences.

Stand firmly where you have chosen to be and you will attract those who want to pay your price. Coach yourself and your own brand first. Then you will be reliable for the customers you want. Hello everyone, I would like to start working as a freelancer. I am working on my website now but how do I promote it and let companies know about me? Evelyn, just start telling people, tell everybody you know.

Get yourself a neat little business card with your web address on it so people can see examples of your work. Eventually, you will get a small job probably from a friend of a friend and that will lead to bigger jobs. Give it a year or two and never ever give up. Perseverance will beat talent any day of the week. I am freelancing for the second time and this time around I want to step up what I charge.

I am working on a quote for a non profit and I was so struggling this morning but now I feel confident in a what I feel is healthy price for me and for them as a non profit that I am happy to support. I was doing a banner design for a client.

He is a nice guy, retired, and is starting a ministry. He wanted to reproduce a design from the past but had no record of the design. Basically he described it and I began the project, pretty accurate on the first layout, then it was just details, or so I thought.

We went through about 5 rounds of revisions and meetings every week after work I have a full time job. Each meeting was about 1hr. To top it off, the client threw in a logo and business card design in the middle of the project without asking about price or anything — my mistake, I know. Hi Rossa, the first thing I do with any new client is find out whether they have any money. The way to find out if they have money is to ask if they have a budget for the job.

Include in your cost estimate, how many rounds of revisions it includes eg. This cost estimate allows for 3 rounds of minor revisions. Then get the client to agree to it and have them sign it before you start any work. What usually happens is they start to realise things cost money so they start making smarter decisions. This streamlines the process for both you and them and actually makes everyone a lot happier.

Thank you Dan, I will keep this in mind from now on. Recently another client wanted me to create a logo and stationery for his new company.

I was more formal and sent him a design brief; it seem it was too much work for him to complete it. While waiting for the information on his company I came up with an estimate and sent it to the client.

He had a fit, to say the least. Of course, I never heard back from him. Some of us are chosen by the clients and not the other way around. A client saw my one of my works a slide animation for corporate presentations and asked if could do same for him and I said yes.

Emmanuel, you can increase your overall cost by submitting a written cost estimate which itemises all of the different cost centres associated with the project. You could charge for the following:. This is just an example. Depending on how you produce the slide animation, you could potentially charge for a whole lot more. If you submit your cost estimate in writing, that will overwrite what you said verbally. A pdf via email is fine for this.

Then follow up with a phone call. Ask him to approve the written cost estimate by signing it before you start work. This is very, very, very important. How much extra you charge is up to you but just remember if he wants another one in the future he will expect it at the same price.

I told him that as a reply to his e-mail. The artist is signed to a major record label and working with A-level publicists and PR companies and will be showcasing the artwork I create on TV, in print and all over the web — the exposure is not even mesasurable. My question is how much should this promo art piece cost?

Any and all advice would be appreciated, thanks. I was searching on the price I could charge my customer and found myself at this interesting page. I learned a lot. This is my first client and I never completed my Graphic Design course although I grasp digital art comfortably…. I was wondering if anybody has any ideas for me. I am a multimedia artist. When I say that I mean I work in wood, ceramic and watercolor. Recently I had an inquiry for a label logo.

My paintings are kind of vintage looking whimsical woodland. She would like a custom logo in my style. I have done some custom paintings in the past but its been awhile so Im not up on the current prices.

I have never had anyone ask me for a logo. If anyone has any thoughts I would sure appreciate it. I was wondering how do I go about charging a co-worker for a logo that I drew for them? We never talked about price, but it was always said that they were going to pay me for my work.

I love this site! I usually lowered my rates thinking that I might lose the clients. Thank you, and more power! By usage I mean the media where the design will appear such as press, outdoor, online and the duration of the marketing activity. More marketing, more money. Plus any merchandise associated with the film, quantities produced etc will incur additional fees. More merchandise, more money.

It all has to be put into perspective. Just make it clear to him what your terms and conditions are up front and then put them in writing. Have him agree to it and ask him to sign it.

No signature, no design. Thanks so much for that tip! He also mentioned to me that he preferred flat rates. Would I just bill him a single flat rate to make the design, but then also include that I receive royalties as well if the design work goes to market? I see you all have a range of rates for logos but does that includes the rights of ownership or not? I am just getting back into the graphic design working world after a break of being a stay-at-home mom to my 2 kids.

Now that the youngest just started kindergarten I will have time to work again. I have a 4 year graphic design degree from a prestigious program. In the past I have worked at advertising agencies and as an in-house graphic designer. All yearly salary jobs. I have done little odds and ends in graphic design, birthday party invites, etc. I would love to start feelancing but I have no idea how to price since I am just stating out again. I am probably rusty and it will take me more time than normal to design something.

I have never spent just a couple hours on a logo design. For me that takes at least a couple of days because I like to explore many possibilites and really think about it. So for a logo it may be best for me to have a set price instead of charging by the hour?

I know some designers who charge by the hour for their projects and others have a set price. Just not sure which way to go. Not sure how long it will take me. Plus, who knows how many times they will come back with changes. Since I am just starting again may be better to have set prices? I will be happy to get anything at first! Better then making nothing. Hi Corinne, when a client pays me, he or she receives full rights to do what they want with the work. Picasso and pricing your work.

Good luck getting back into things. The comments here are a great help in getting an idea how to price and value your work, but it is still tempting as a novice in the commercial field not to price too high thinking you might not get the commission, especially when the graphic designer must be having to put in a competitive price too for his work.

Its easy to value my portraits and drawings, as I work roughly by the hour on how long each takes to draw. They provided two vector files a tree and a moon that will be part of the whole logo.

So I was thinking that I will customise the files colour, positions, etc. I have been trying to come up with an amount. She is veeery picky. How do I handle it? On the other hand, illustrators freelancers fees are sometimes high. Do I include the illustrator fees in my fees? I know it is a silly question.

I have worked as an image assistant, quality assurance expert, and as a customer service rep, but not as a designer. I want to be able to enter as an entry level graphic designer, but I am afraid of my lack of illustration skills. I earned an AS in Graphic Design Print and nowadays we have to know about JavaScript, html, css, web design, and flash. I LOVE print, but not web development. I feel like a newbie.

I am a fine artist and I have been approached about using one of my drawings as the customers logo. Thanks so much for sharing David. These are great resources for every self-employed graphic designer. You would have to inflate the price to get an actual quote to debate.

Now I know a lot of designers just hate the idea of undervaluing the market. But you also have to understand that this is a hungry market and no matter how you view it, most businesses will try to get the most of what they can get to make a profit. You also have to consider with that in mind that there are a lot of people that need to climb the food chain and are not in the same position you are nor do they hold pride to set a price.

You have to keep in mind that there are those that need the money because it means the next bill or even food. Establish a sort of work by internship ranking.

After all no one wants to be called an amateur even if they are. Not good for business… but we do know how internships work. I graduated 1 year ago and feel the same. As every logo design project is different, and the amount of research and brainstorming is different from project to project, pricing is different for every project.

I give the final quotation to my client only when I receive a complete design brief. After receiving a brief I have a better understanding of how much work I have to do. I recently designed an album cover for a band — which they loved.

They are a relatively new band, but are getting lots of local and international attention everyday. But if they own the images now — are they free to do this? Hi all, interesting post here. Till now I have made many logo designs but the clients still say that my price is expensive. How do you know they are not using copyrighted work or if your design will be unique to you? Remember electricity, gasoline and computers are all about the same price all over the world.

You can go to the poorest countries and you will find an artist that respects their work enough to charge the same rate as in the U. I used to get upset at those freelance websites for people from all over the world, and wonder how a first world person can compete with a third world artist, but soon realised that in even the poorest countries the top artists have competitive rates.

There are some Indian companies that do logos for cheap, but they look cheap and they all look the same and look very stolen to me. I would like to point out to artists, that you do not have a package with any company, any vacations, k plans, retirement benefits, unemployment benefits, sick leave, maternity care and so on. So for those of you who think spending all night doing a logo or graphic for bucks, please think again.

One day you may want to make a living from your skill and talent. To tell you the truth I have not much experience nor a lot of knowledge so I need your help. I create some drawings for the company I work for but I have no idea how much I should charge them. Can anyone please tell me how much something like this would sell for? I am now a full time employee in a big firm and do mainly graphic design. I can tell you that what you charge for a logo is not the actual work it took you to assemble it, but the concept and how well it defines what your customers identity is, and that is priceless.

It is your idea, your thought. I realized that once I did in 1 hour a huge campaign logo that was assigned to an outside agency and they had been working on it for weeks for my art director without any success. When he saw my idea, it was it, after thousands of wasted money, I did it under payroll, no glory but I know now how much my thoughts are worth.

To your question I charge between Lately I refuse to do side jobs as it only hurts my taxes. Outsourcing to 3rd world countries for a bargain price is risky, bless those who dare, I think is a waste of time and money, at the end you always get what you pay for.

In reply to Iraisia, very true on everything you said except the part about outsourcing to 3rd world countries. You sounded a little racist. So for example, right now, a local businessman just purchased a new office building that he will be making into multiple office suites for leasing. What would you charge for these types of projects?

Not sure if I should stick with flat rate, or switch to hourly as well? I need your help I did a logo for a friend, I am not graphic designer as you can see by the logo that I made. I was wondering how much I should charge, I never done this before. So I would like to know how much should I charge. Hello Many, this is in reply to your harsh comment.

First let me apologize if I offended 3rd world country designers, it was not my intention. By my name you can tell that I am also a 3rd world country designer. Not only I am but I also had to travel to countries like Mexico, Brazil, Colombia, Argentina and Peru just to list some to hire talent for outsourcing for a talent agency in New York, but I also had the honor to work with many of them in many award winning projects.

In my previous post I was not talking about foreign designers but the act of outsourcing for logo design by firms that I have seen promoting that as a quick and affordable service. I am sure you have seen that as soon as you do an online search for logo design. I had my experience with them via Elance and Guru and it was as I described, a gamble and you get what you pay for. I think that perhaps I am not very good at exposing what is in my mind, a designer for me as I see myself is an graphic artist, is a person who finds the meaning and fun in visual graphic communication and has talent, not a quick service generic icon logo producer based on a foreign country.

To me those logos compare to a logo made by a true graphic designer at heart like a t-shirt compares to a custom made tailored shirt.

If he uses this locally he may be fine, but be careful if he uses it online like websites and ads or a visible sign for his location. To Iraisa, I like your review, And I know about the road runner character I know that is copyrighted, but is what my friend want. To David Airey, Yes I might give it to him for free. But I really appreciate that you take your time to answer my question. I often come across people who have their own logo design drawn up and want them re-created into vectors to bring them to life.

I love this website and the tips, they are really helpful but I live in Bulgaria and things are different here. Irina, perhaps you can find work registering in Elance or Guru. The site is plagued with low balling but a decent person who is serious about hiring never goes for the lowest bid.

The job I have as many others I have had was thanks to my website. If you want to find work the best way to promote yourself is to show your work, your portfolio is what sells you as an artist. Also there are agents and firms that can showcase your work and represent you, they find clients but do charge you a percentage from your profits. Iraisa, Thank you for your comment! This is wrong, wrong, wrong. I found out accidentally about that when I saw my project for a casino on a billboard, and then again, and again… so I decided to start working as a freelancer.

How to protect my work? Thank you so much! Most of my clients are overseas. Keep working on your website and blog in order to improve your search rankings. If you stick at it, people from all over the world will find you.

Have you tried pro bono work to improve your portfolio? David Airey, Thank you so much for the time and effort to make this site so helpful and informative! I do pro bono work. Logo Design Love Work for Money, Design for Love. I am currently working as a Welding Inspector. I learned Photoshop for my personal use only. I am not a professional graphic designer. People have seen my work, some of it banners and streamers.

Recently I was asked to edit a company logo and they were satisfied. They now ask me to make a design for a carry bag with logo, calling card, flyer, catalogue, and poster. Hey guys, I really need help. How much do you think I should charge? Some of my work… https: I want to encourage all designers, but especially new ones, to always take time for research before quoting a job.

As a design student in the late 80s, I was hired by a local t-shirt printer to do the camera-ready art for a shirt to be sold at a campus-wide event. The following week, I learned that the students who did the silkscreen printing had each negotiated a per-shirt fee of 50 cents — more than 5, shirts were sold. Now, the question — how does everyone feel about bartering? Large design jobs, however, would require a professional contract.

I would consider allowing a payment plan — I remember how hard it was to start a business with limited capital. For instance, a client owns a shop for which I design an id system. If they open a second location, I get a set amount for the use of the work in representing that new location. This is a great topic. I usually take about days to get them back to people, because providing a quote off the cuff can be a huge mistake. In the past, I often found myself quoting too low and working 10 times too hard for very little pay.

Going back the second time and telling clients that their revisions will cost more is the worst conversation, which honestly, a lot of people are not ready to hear.

I would much rather charge a rate that covers some extras and then let the client know that those extras are available to them if they choose. This is one of the things I struggle with most as a designer. Because there is no exact answer, there are too many variables. I often undercharge out of fear the client will not hire me, only to regret it later. God bless you, David.

Hi, this is great. I have been a graphic designer all my life. I am now thrown into the world of logo design. I have two clients, one a small business owner of a gym. In his mind it may be just a sticker with a name but there may be photography, art with his different organic muffins. I know he may be looking at half that. The value placed on a logo is sad in a lot of cases, wanting gold for peanuts is often the phrase that comes to mind. I can only say that the prices vary for things like logo design, because we are not selling commodities, rather offering a service.

People are basing their request on commodities, and with places like freelancer. My advice, is to define your processes in a way that you can market it easily, become your client…workout base fee you wont go below, for example your hourly charge can be your flat rate base fee, pick your clients so you also have an understanding of your market.

There are details in between the quote and the actual design process that needs to be factored in, however I worked at an ad agency and various companies over the years before I went solo, so my experience is based on that. Thanks David for this wonderful site. They have been a huge help with my design business. I still struggle to price logo projects. I have tried flat rate and hourly, but found the best approach is if you base a flat rate from your hourly fee and target a certain type of client, but in this game you cant please everyone, you will always get the clients that try to lowball you.

Andrew, thanks so much for reading my books. This meant you have to take the lead and educate yourself mostly through the internet. In my country graphic design is still far away from becoming a strong asset, and most national brands lean to the outside to get their visual brand designed. I have some questions to ask you if allowed especially in terms of pricing. This is my behance profile https: The main question, is my work worth more based on my background and what I do?

This is related to prices, my other questions are more of a general guidance, do you recommend I continue my studies and take a degree even if my situation makes it hard to but not impossible?

Do I have the chance to get hired without a degree and does my current work allow me to do that?